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Qwen3-VL-8B-Instruct

dense 8.767B

Fields

id
models/qwen3-vl-8b-instruct
Family
qwen3-vl
Vendor
Alibaba (Qwen)
Release year
2025
Architecture
dense
Params (B)
8.767
Active params (B)
8.767
Hidden size
4,096
Layers
36
KV heads
8
Head dim
128
GQA ratio
4
Max context
262,144
Context scaling
mrope (interleaved)
Context scaling method
mrope
Activation
silu
Attention variant
GQA + mrope + DeepStack
KV cache (bytes/token)
147,456
FLOPs per active token
17,534,000,000
Open weights
yes
License
apache-2.0
notes
TWO-PART MODEL. (1) Vision: 27-layer ViT, hidden 1152, 16 heads, patch_size 16, spatial_merge 2, out_hidden_size 4096, gelu_pytorch_tanh. Note the patch size moved 14 -> 16 vs the Qwen2.5-VL line, so the merge footprint is 32x32 px not 28x28 -- 30% fewer vision tokens for the same image area. DeepStack: deepstack_visual_indexes [8,16,24] injects intermediate ViT features into the LLM at three depths rather than only at the projector, preserving multi-scale detail at low token cost. (2) LLM: 36 layers, hidden 4096, 32 heads / 8 KV heads, head_dim 128, intermediate 12288, rope_theta 5e6, vocab 151,936. ARCHITECTURE = dense. CONTEXT_SCALING = mrope, and this generation changed the layout: rope_scaling is {mrope_interleaved: true, mrope_section: [24,20,20], rope_type: default} in a nested text_config (model_type qwen3_vl_text). rope_type 'default' with a large rope_theta means NO frequency rescaling is applied -- the 262,144 context is native, and mrope only splits the rotary layout. VISION TOKENS: tokens = (H/32)*(W/32). A 896x896 image = 28*28 = 784 tokens; a 1280x720 image = 40*22 = 880 tokens. DOMINANCE: VISION DOMINATES at typical image sizes -- ~800 vision tokens vs a ~200-token text prompt. KV CACHE: 36 * 8 * 128 * 2 * 2 = 147,456 B/token (144 KiB), 2.6x Qwen2.5-VL-7B despite similar param count. At 262,144 ctx that is 36.0 GiB per sequence at bf16, so the 262k figure is not a serving target, it is a capability ceiling. params_b 8.767 = HF API safetensors total (8,767,123,696); the name says 8B. SERVICEABILITY JOIN (added 2026-10-03; the architecture x engine matrix this record was missing, with a citation per cell in docs/13-model-compatibility.md): FAMILY=multimodal. REQUIRED KERNEL CLASS: an encoder tower (ViT / SigLIP / ConvNet / audio encoder) running on a SEPARATE schedule from the decoder, plus a projector into the decoder's embedding space, plus - for the mrope and DeepStack families - a multi-axis rotary scheme in the decoder rather than plain 1-D RoPE. Three engine-side consequences, all cited. (1) The encoder tower is a separate compute path, so its throughput is a different problem from decode throughput and engines that disclaim encoder throughput are disclaiming this. vLLM says so in its own words: 'We currently support pooling models primarily for convenience. This is not guaranteed to provide any performance improvements over using Hugging Face Transformers or Sentence Transformers directly' [[vllm-pooling-models]] - that is the general statement this class inherits. TRT-LLM's answer is a documented mechanism: a Multimodal Encoder Side Stream that prefetches encoder work on a separate CUDA stream plus a per-model Multimodal Embeddings Cache, currently available only for seven architectures (Gemma4, Gemma4Unified, Mistral3, Qwen3VL, Qwen3VLMoe, Qwen3_5, Qwen3_5Moe) [[mdl2-trtllm-supported-models]]. (2) Several towers carry hard external dependencies: Gemma3nForConditionalGeneration 'depends on timm>=1.0.17 to make use of its MobileNet-v5 vision backbone' and 'is only supported on V1 due to shared KV caching' [[mdl2-vllm-supported-models-2026-10]]; MiniCPM-V 4.6 requires transformers>=5.7.0 because it was upstreamed as a native model type [[mdl2-trtllm-supported-models]]. (3) Hybrid-only multimodal models expose a memory knob unique to this class: vLLM's --language-model-only flag sets all supported multimodal modalities to 0 so the multimodal modules are not loaded, 'to free up more GPU memory for KV cache' for Llama-4, Step3, Mistral-3 and Qwen-3.5 [[mdl2-vllm-supported-models-2026-10]].SUPPORTED BY (cited): vLLM native rows include InternVLChatModel and InternVLForConditionalGeneration, LlavaOnevisionForConditionalGeneration, LlavaNextForConditionalGeneration, MolmoForCausalLM and Molmo2ForConditionalGeneration, PaliGemmaForConditionalGeneration, SmolVLMForConditionalGeneration, Glm4vForConditionalGeneration, Qwen2VL/Qwen3VL, MiniCPMV, Mllama, Phi4MM, Gemma4, NemotronH_Nano_VL_V2, VoxtralForConditionalGeneration (which requires mistral-common[audio]) and Qwen3OmniMoeThinkerForConditionalGeneration [[mdl2-vllm-supported-models-2026-10]]. SGLang's multimodal table covers InternLM2-VL, LLaVA-OneVision, LLaVA-NeXT(-Video), Ling-3.0-flash-VL, LFM2.5-VL, MiniCPM-V-2, GLM-4.5V, GLM-OCR, Qwen3-VL 235B-A22B and 30B-A3B, Qwen3-Omni-30B-A3B, Kimi-VL-A3B, MiMo-VL-7B-RL, Step3-VL-10B, dots.ocr, PaddleOCR-VL, Cosmos3, deepseek-vl2, Janus-Pro-7B, NVILA-8B and gemma-3-4b-it, plus openai/whisper-large-v3 and Qwen3-ASR-1.7B on the audio route [[mdl2-sglang-multimodal-language-models]]. TRT-LLM's multimodal matrix covers a narrower set with an explicit per-row modality string and per-row Untested cells [[mdl2-trtllm-supported-models]]. Older GGUF-side engines reach the class through llama.cpp's projector graph, which llama.cpp-embedding-server states it cannot serve on the embedding route [[llama-cpp-embedding-server]]. PER-MODALITY CAVEATS CITED: TRT-LLM marks Gemma4Unified and MiniCPM-V 4.6 Untested for CUDA Graph / chunked prefill, MiniMax-M3 Untested for attention DP and KV cache reuse, Qwen4Exp Untested across the board, and notes audio requires a checkpoint with a sound_config and is supported only on the full non-disaggregated path [[mdl2-trtllm-supported-models]]. Step-3.7's vision tower runs in BF16 even when the text decoder is quantized [[mdl2-trtllm-supported-models]] - a precision asymmetry that silently costs memory. vLLM's fallback path accepts image inputs only, with video 'to be added in a future release' [[mdl2-vllm-supported-models-2026-10]]. CONTEXT_SCALING_METHOD (mrope): config-derived; the existing free text 'mrope (interleaved)' agrees.

Notes

TWO-PART MODEL. (1) Vision: 27-layer ViT, hidden 1152, 16 heads, patch_size 16, spatial_merge 2, out_hidden_size 4096, gelu_pytorch_tanh. Note the patch size moved 14 -> 16 vs the Qwen2.5-VL line, so the merge footprint is 32x32 px not 28x28 -- 30% fewer vision tokens for the same image area. DeepStack: deepstack_visual_indexes [8,16,24] injects intermediate ViT features into the LLM at three depths rather than only at the projector, preserving multi-scale detail at low token cost. (2) LLM: 36 layers, hidden 4096, 32 heads / 8 KV heads, head_dim 128, intermediate 12288, rope_theta 5e6, vocab 151,936. ARCHITECTURE = dense. CONTEXT_SCALING = mrope, and this generation changed the layout: rope_scaling is {mrope_interleaved: true, mrope_section: [24,20,20], rope_type: default} in a nested text_config (model_type qwen3_vl_text). rope_type 'default' with a large rope_theta means NO frequency rescaling is applied -- the 262,144 context is native, and mrope only splits the rotary layout. VISION TOKENS: tokens = (H/32)*(W/32). A 896x896 image = 28*28 = 784 tokens; a 1280x720 image = 40*22 = 880 tokens. DOMINANCE: VISION DOMINATES at typical image sizes -- ~800 vision tokens vs a ~200-token text prompt. KV CACHE: 36 * 8 * 128 * 2 * 2 = 147,456 B/token (144 KiB), 2.6x Qwen2.5-VL-7B despite similar param count. At 262,144 ctx that is 36.0 GiB per sequence at bf16, so the 262k figure is not a serving target, it is a capability ceiling. params_b 8.767 = HF API safetensors total (8,767,123,696); the name says 8B.

SERVICEABILITY JOIN (added 2026-10-03; the architecture x engine matrix this record was missing, with a citation per cell in docs/13-model-compatibility.md): FAMILY=multimodal. REQUIRED KERNEL CLASS: an encoder tower (ViT / SigLIP / ConvNet / audio encoder) running on a SEPARATE schedule from the decoder, plus a projector into the decoder's embedding space, plus - for the mrope and DeepStack families - a multi-axis rotary scheme in the decoder rather than plain 1-D RoPE. Three engine-side consequences, all cited. (1) The encoder tower is a separate compute path, so its throughput is a different problem from decode throughput and engines that disclaim encoder throughput are disclaiming this. vLLM says so in its own words: 'We currently support pooling models primarily for convenience. This is not guaranteed to provide any performance improvements over using Hugging Face Transformers or Sentence Transformers directly' [[vllm-pooling-models]] - that is the general statement this class inherits. TRT-LLM's answer is a documented mechanism: a Multimodal Encoder Side Stream that prefetches encoder work on a separate CUDA stream plus a per-model Multimodal Embeddings Cache, currently available only for seven architectures (Gemma4, Gemma4Unified, Mistral3, Qwen3VL, Qwen3VLMoe, Qwen3_5, Qwen3_5Moe) [[mdl2-trtllm-supported-models]]. (2) Several towers carry hard external dependencies: Gemma3nForConditionalGeneration 'depends on timm>=1.0.17 to make use of its MobileNet-v5 vision backbone' and 'is only supported on V1 due to shared KV caching' [[mdl2-vllm-supported-models-2026-10]]; MiniCPM-V 4.6 requires transformers>=5.7.0 because it was upstreamed as a native model type [[mdl2-trtllm-supported-models]]. (3) Hybrid-only multimodal models expose a memory knob unique to this class: vLLM's --language-model-only flag sets all supported multimodal modalities to 0 so the multimodal modules are not loaded, 'to free up more GPU memory for KV cache' for Llama-4, Step3, Mistral-3 and Qwen-3.5 [[mdl2-vllm-supported-models-2026-10]].SUPPORTED BY (cited): vLLM native rows include InternVLChatModel and InternVLForConditionalGeneration, LlavaOnevisionForConditionalGeneration, LlavaNextForConditionalGeneration, MolmoForCausalLM and Molmo2ForConditionalGeneration, PaliGemmaForConditionalGeneration, SmolVLMForConditionalGeneration, Glm4vForConditionalGeneration, Qwen2VL/Qwen3VL, MiniCPMV, Mllama, Phi4MM, Gemma4, NemotronH_Nano_VL_V2, VoxtralForConditionalGeneration (which requires mistral-common[audio]) and Qwen3OmniMoeThinkerForConditionalGeneration [[mdl2-vllm-supported-models-2026-10]]. SGLang's multimodal table covers InternLM2-VL, LLaVA-OneVision, LLaVA-NeXT(-Video), Ling-3.0-flash-VL, LFM2.5-VL, MiniCPM-V-2, GLM-4.5V, GLM-OCR, Qwen3-VL 235B-A22B and 30B-A3B, Qwen3-Omni-30B-A3B, Kimi-VL-A3B, MiMo-VL-7B-RL, Step3-VL-10B, dots.ocr, PaddleOCR-VL, Cosmos3, deepseek-vl2, Janus-Pro-7B, NVILA-8B and gemma-3-4b-it, plus openai/whisper-large-v3 and Qwen3-ASR-1.7B on the audio route [[mdl2-sglang-multimodal-language-models]]. TRT-LLM's multimodal matrix covers a narrower set with an explicit per-row modality string and per-row Untested cells [[mdl2-trtllm-supported-models]]. Older GGUF-side engines reach the class through llama.cpp's projector graph, which llama.cpp-embedding-server states it cannot serve on the embedding route [[llama-cpp-embedding-server]]. PER-MODALITY CAVEATS CITED: TRT-LLM marks Gemma4Unified and MiniCPM-V 4.6 Untested for CUDA Graph / chunked prefill, MiniMax-M3 Untested for attention DP and KV cache reuse, Qwen4Exp Untested across the board, and notes audio requires a checkpoint with a sound_config and is supported only on the full non-disaggregated path [[mdl2-trtllm-supported-models]]. Step-3.7's vision tower runs in BF16 even when the text decoder is quantized [[mdl2-trtllm-supported-models]] - a precision asymmetry that silently costs memory. vLLM's fallback path accepts image inputs only, with video 'to be added in a future release' [[mdl2-vllm-supported-models-2026-10]].

CONTEXT_SCALING_METHOD (mrope): config-derived; the existing free text 'mrope (interleaved)' agrees.

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